America Chaos (police incompetence)

Have you guys been following the news with George Floyd and the mayhem that is taking place in the US?

If you haven't seen the video, here you are:

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People rioting don't actually care about the death of George Floyd, but want an excuse to commit crimes without punishment. It's hurting businesses and communities, which are just as vulnerable as Floyd was. It's disappointing because there does need to be dialogue about when such force is necessary, but it's overshadowed by a fixation on race and the rioting. American cops are known for using excessive force and that needs to change. There's nothing excessive about tear-gassing people that are vandalizing cars and burning buildings, though.

People rioting don't actually care about the death of George Floyd, but want an excuse to commit crimes without punishment. It's hurting businesses and communities, which are just as vulnerable as Floyd was. It's disappointing because there does need to be dialogue about when such force is necessary, but it's overshadowed by a fixation on race and the rioting. American cops are known for using excessive force and that needs to change. There's nothing excessive about tear-gassing people that are vandalizing cars and burning buildings, though.

(05-30-2020, 08:41 PM)Oni Wrote:

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People rioting don't actually care about the death of George Floyd, but want an excuse to commit crimes without punishment. It's hurting businesses and communities, which are just as vulnerable as Floyd was. It's disappointing because there does need to be dialogue about when such force is necessary, but it's overshadowed by a fixation on race and the rioting. American cops are known for using excessive force and that needs to change. There's nothing excessive about tear-gassing people that are vandalizing cars and burning buildings, though.

It seems like every US riot starts after that though.

Mind you, I am against the looting and burning down a building, especially by out of state idiots (whether Antifa, w.e anarchists organization or white nationalists, whichever shitty group they belong to). I'm very happy there's some attention being brought to this, I think it might be the straw that broke the camel's back. I went through

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in the US, very much race-based and realized there'll be many more, but I hope this is a fundamental one, and of course, all of those shitty people are thrown in jail and the peaceful protests continue. I have lots of black family members in the US and I worry for them often. Be as positive as you want and claim it's a human issue (it is for sure) as some like to do if they don't altogether ignore it, I see a race issue that's been around for a very long time. How does it end? When does it get to a point of no return?

I have seen a lot of mentions on Reddit of events around the world, so maybe this should've been posted in world news. @mothered feel free to move if you feel it fits it.

(05-30-2020, 08:41 PM)Oni Wrote:

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People rioting don't actually care about the death of George Floyd, but want an excuse to commit crimes without punishment. It's hurting businesses and communities, which are just as vulnerable as Floyd was. It's disappointing because there does need to be dialogue about when such force is necessary, but it's overshadowed by a fixation on race and the rioting. American cops are known for using excessive force and that needs to change. There's nothing excessive about tear-gassing people that are vandalizing cars and burning buildings, though.

It seems like every US riot starts after that though.

Mind you, I am against the looting and burning down a building, especially by out of state idiots (whether Antifa, w.e anarchists organization or white nationalists, whichever shitty group they belong to). I'm very happy there's some attention being brought to this, I think it might be the straw that broke the camel's back. I went through

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in the US, very much race-based and realized there'll be many more, but I hope this is a fundamental one, and of course, all of those shitty people are thrown in jail and the peaceful protests continue. I have lots of black family members in the US and I worry for them often. Be as positive as you want and claim it's a human issue (it is for sure) as some like to do if they don't altogether ignore it, I see a race issue that's been around for a very long time. How does it end? When does it get to a point of no return?

I have seen a lot of mentions on Reddit of events around the world, so maybe this should've been posted in world news. @mothered feel free to move if you feel it fits it.

As an outsider to the US, there's lots of non race based issues, that get turned into race based issues.

While I was at University in the states, I had the pleasure of having a guest speaker in one of my classes who was the chief of campus police. He had also served as an officer in major US cities prior to this role. He told us a story of how some students had made some very serious racial allegations against his officers. The officers in question asked to speak to the students because they matched the description of the person they were looking for. Unfortunately, that part of town is not wealthy and there are many young, black, men who commit crimes on the campus. The students felt they were racially singled out and demanded to meet with the chief to give him a good talking to. Then when he welcomed them into his office, they said "oh. We didn't know you are black, sir." And no longer wanted to pursue those allegations.
He made a great example of when an issue gets misframed and taken out of context for someone else's personal agenda.

I do think it's important to combat racism. But as far as any video, article or information I've read so far, there's nothing to indicate that the officer in this instance did this because the guy was black. To me, it seems like he'd have done this to any criminal, white, Asian, Latino etc.

The rioting and behavior that followed, is also disgusting and an embarrassment to those communities. Stand up for what you believe in, but don't hurt innocent people just to make your agenda heard, no matter how important that agenda might be.

As an outsider to the US, there's lots of non race based issues, that get turned into race based issues.

While I was at University in the states, I had the pleasure of having a guest speaker in one of my classes who was the chief of campus police. He had also served as an officer in major US cities prior to this role. He told us a story of how some students had made some very serious racial allegations against his officers. The officers in question asked to speak to the students because they matched the description of the person they were looking for. Unfortunately, that part of town is not wealthy and there are many young, black, men who commit crimes on the campus. The students felt they were racially singled out and demanded to meet with the chief to give him a good talking to. Then when he welcomed them into his office, they said "oh. We didn't know you are black, sir." And no longer wanted to pursue those allegations.
He made a great example of when an issue gets misframed and taken out of context for someone else's personal agenda.

I do think it's important to combat racism. But as far as any video, article or information I've read so far, there's nothing to indicate that the officer in this instance did this because the guy was black. To me, it seems like he'd have done this to any criminal, white, Asian, Latino etc.

The rioting and behavior that followed, is also disgusting and an embarrassment to those communities. Stand up for what you believe in, but don't hurt innocent people just to make your agenda heard, no matter how important that agenda might be.

(05-30-2020, 11:19 PM)Jiggly Wrote:

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As an outsider to the US, there's lots of non race based issues, that get turned into race based issues.

While I was at University in the states, I had the pleasure of having a guest speaker in one of my classes who was the chief of campus police. He had also served as an officer in major US cities prior to this role. He told us a story of how some students had made some very serious racial allegations against his officers. The officers in question asked to speak to the students because they matched the description of the person they were looking for. Unfortunately, that part of town is not wealthy and there are many young, black, men who commit crimes on the campus. The students felt they were racially singled out and demanded to meet with the chief to give him a good talking to. Then when he welcomed them into his office, they said "oh. We didn't know you are black, sir." And no longer wanted to pursue those allegations.
He made a great example of when an issue gets misframed and taken out of context for someone else's personal agenda.

I do think it's important to combat racism. But as far as any video, article or information I've read so far, there's nothing to indicate that the officer in this instance did thisbecause the guy was black. To me, it seems like he'd have done this to any criminal, white, Asian, Latino etc.

The rioting and behavior that followed, is also disgusting and an embarrassment to those communities. Stand up for what you believe in, but don't hurt innocent people just to make your agenda heard, no matter how important that agenda might be.

It looks like in his 19 years on the force, he's had many violations. I hope more information comes out about each case to see if he has in fact targetted black Americans but I hope you're right. A lot of my research has focused on biases (implicit and explicit) so whether it was a shitty human being doing his job poorly or not, I wonder if he would truly do this to any other race. We'll find it more in the days to come though.


Edit: BuzzFeed is trash,but it looks like he's a scumbag overall -

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The white guy did at least acknowledge this: “If I were black, I would probably be dead,” Bergh wrote in a Facebook post Wednesday. “Our white privilege saved our lives.”
Btw, how should they get their agenda heard? I'm genuinely curious because it looks like peaceful protests haven't done shit.

(05-30-2020, 11:19 PM)Jiggly Wrote:

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As an outsider to the US, there's lots of non race based issues, that get turned into race based issues.

While I was at University in the states, I had the pleasure of having a guest speaker in one of my classes who was the chief of campus police. He had also served as an officer in major US cities prior to this role. He told us a story of how some students had made some very serious racial allegations against his officers. The officers in question asked to speak to the students because they matched the description of the person they were looking for. Unfortunately, that part of town is not wealthy and there are many young, black, men who commit crimes on the campus. The students felt they were racially singled out and demanded to meet with the chief to give him a good talking to. Then when he welcomed them into his office, they said "oh. We didn't know you are black, sir." And no longer wanted to pursue those allegations.
He made a great example of when an issue gets misframed and taken out of context for someone else's personal agenda.

I do think it's important to combat racism. But as far as any video, article or information I've read so far, there's nothing to indicate that the officer in this instance did thisbecause the guy was black. To me, it seems like he'd have done this to any criminal, white, Asian, Latino etc.

The rioting and behavior that followed, is also disgusting and an embarrassment to those communities. Stand up for what you believe in, but don't hurt innocent people just to make your agenda heard, no matter how important that agenda might be.

It looks like in his 19 years on the force, he's had many violations. I hope more information comes out about each case to see if he has in fact targetted black Americans but I hope you're right. A lot of my research has focused on biases (implicit and explicit) so whether it was a shitty human being doing his job poorly or not, I wonder if he would truly do this to any other race. We'll find it more in the days to come though.


Edit: BuzzFeed is trash,but it looks like he's a scumbag overall -

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The white guy did at least acknowledge this: “If I were black, I would probably be dead,” Bergh wrote in a Facebook post Wednesday. “Our white privilege saved our lives.”
Btw, how should they get their agenda heard? I'm genuinely curious because it looks like peaceful protests haven't done shit.

(05-30-2020, 11:40 PM)Oni Wrote:

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(05-30-2020, 10:37 PM)Strait McCool Wrote:

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(05-30-2020, 08:41 PM)Oni Wrote:

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People rioting don't actually care about the death of George Floyd, but want an excuse to commit crimes without punishment. It's hurting businesses and communities, which are just as vulnerable as Floyd was. It's disappointing because there does need to be dialogue about when such force is necessary, but it's overshadowed by a fixation on race and the rioting. American cops are known for using excessive force and that needs to change. There's nothing excessive about tear-gassing people that are vandalizing cars and burning buildings, though.

It seems like every US riot starts after that though.

Mind you, I am against the looting and burning down a building, especially by out of state idiots (whether Antifa, w.e anarchists organization or white nationalists, whichever shitty group they belong to). I'm very happy there's some attention being brought to this, I think it might be the straw that broke the camel's back. I went through

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in the US, very much race-based and realized there'll be many more, but I hope this is a fundamental one, and of course, all of those shitty people are thrown in jail and the peaceful protests continue. I have lots of black family members in the US and I worry for them often. Be as positive as you want and claim it's a human issue (it is for sure) as some like to do if they don't altogether ignore it, I see a race issue that's been around for a very long time. How does it end? When does it get to a point of no return?

I have seen a lot of mentions on Reddit of events around the world, so maybe this should've been posted in world news. @mothered feel free to move if you feel it fits it.

There were no slurs and Floyd wasn't hunted down because of his race. The cop used excessive force and Floyd had health problems. To say it's race-related, means that his race was key to him being mistreated. In reality, the cop probably treated everyone poorly (regardless of race). Police brutality is a real problem and racism is a real problem, but they can occur independently/separately.

What does his health problems have to do with this exactly? Any healthy human being with someone's knee on their neck for nearly 9 minutes, I'd imagine could/would probably die too?

They can also occur together as they have many times before. We can wait on the verdict, but I don't think it would have been the same case, had he not been a black man. This may be my own biases, and I'll admit I'm wrong if we get all the cases and details of his other violations.